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Letter To NY: From Bos, With Love
By Johnny Bos, as told to Michael Woods
Woodsy---So I told you last time that a matchmaker is a con, right? How did I start matchmaking? I was writing for World Boxing and Boxing International and Boxing World in England, and then I started matchmaking in 1977. I’d been watching boxing for 10 years, I’d been doing matchmaking, doing it for free. I worked for Tiffany Promotions, Sam Glass. I remember doing the Gerry Cooney/Austin Johnson fight in Hempstead, NY in January 1978, Eddie Davis fought Luis Rodriguez.
Glass had a lot of shows on CBS I did. The Azumah Nelson/Wilfredo Gomez fight in 1984, Bonecrusher Smith/Marvis Frazier in 1986, Cooney/Holmes in ’82. Don King promoted with Tiffany. I made Cooney’s early fights, Howard Davis’ early fights. I did small shows, a lot for Nancy Sciacca. I had Johnny Verderosa, Eric Winbush. Winbush KOd Saad Muhammad in ’83. I did every club show in New York. I did four shows in four days in the late 80s. Overseas I was a rep for Mickey Duff. I became a rep for Barney Eastwood. I did Sauerland, and Switzerland, France with the Acaries.
Those were some days. I remember one guy, Leon Washington, he was tall and slender. He fought Tom Bethea, and he was like, Watch how I handle this. Bethea was a short, sturdy puncher. Washington threw two rights over his head, nothing behind them. Bethea wasn’t worried. The third time he dropped him, right on the chin. This was one of the old tricks they don’t teach any more, Woods. There were some good fighters with terrible records. Doc McClendon, he was 10-22. He went life and death with Duran in 1973. No one can compare the fighters of today with fighters in the 80s. I mean, Kelly Pavlik wouldn’t beat Mustafa Hamsho. The weigh-in the night before has ruined things. Guys don’t fight at their weight class. Guys are built different. You had middleweights 5-8, 5-9, welters 5-7. Now they all look like Gumby. Guys go three divisions higher.
So anyway, I was making decent money. I bought a condo in Florida in 1989. I had been in Bay Ridge, then Atlantic/Court, then the lower East Side. I was roommates with the writer Joe Bruno at 89th/90th and First St. I moved to East Orange, NJ ‘cause rents in NY were going crazy. That was ’85. I was also doing matches for Main Events, ‘82‘-92, their best years. Between me and Lou Duva, we were the most powerful one-two matchmakers that ever lived. Holyfield, Breland.
I made Tyson’s early fights, Cooney’s, Frank Bruno’s, Francesco Damiani’s. In the 90s, the sport changed. There weren’t as many boxing people. You had promotional rights coming into it.
Anyway, I’m outta here, Woodsy. Til next time, see ya!
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Ahhh, the BosMan! Johnny Bos IS boxing. The "he forgot more than most know " is applicable here. He'll catch static for the Pavlik comment, but the Hagler era produced some real beasts. Won't list all the names here because if you witnessed it you know. If you're someone who believes the world was created the Tuesday before you were born, then you have fighters like BHop and Oscar as all-time Kings. Schedule'em for 15, let'em fight the same day as the weigh-in and let's see what would happen. Oh, and space out the weight divisions with only one champion and name them Armstrong, Robinson and Fullmer. Suddenly, no more 6 time world champion.
Johnny, you da man!
Thursday Aug 7, 2008
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Isaiah:
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Wait, here we go. Here's my take on the weight classes. Traditional ones that is. Heavyweight champ: Joe Louis, Light-Heavy: Mike Spinks, Middle: Jake Lamotta, Welter: Sugar Ray Robinson, Lightweight: Armstrong, Featherweight: Flash Elrode. Was Flash Featherweight? I'm not sure. Shoot, a so called 6 time world champ, ::ahem:: Oscar de la Hoya, wouldn't make it to one paper title. Oh yeah, I almost forgot! Featherweight might have to go with Willie Pep as best champ ever! 1, I'd have to say Bernard Hopkins though, has a heck of a chance of being champ in any era. Just Saying.
Thursday Aug 7, 2008
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Radam G :
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Wow! Isaiah! And they tell me don't drink the water here in Peking, China. What in the heck have you been drinking, smoking, eating or somethin'. B-Hop would not made the top ten in the eras of 1920 to 1972. Holla!
Thursday Aug 7, 2008
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pete:
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Johnny Bos should be made the Tzar of boxing in America. For many years he was the very heartbeat of NYC boxing.
Thursday Aug 7, 2008
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gibola:
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I agree with the point about fighters of the 80s - a lot of the contenders were better than today's champions.
I'd pick a peak Simon Brown and Marlon Starling over Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Judah etc - but you could go further and say Honeygan, Blocker, Ayers and Trice would be now worse than 50:50 against today's top dogs.
Don't get me started on what Mike McCallum (or Michael Nunn, Frank Tate, James Toney, Iran Barkley, Herol Graham) would do to Kelly Pavlik.
I still love the fights and they are good fighters but the quality in a lot of divisions just isn't there.
Take a look at the top 15 lightweights in 1986 - Rosario, Paul, Camacho, Haugen, Pazienza, Whittaker, Mayweather, Taylor, Davis, Bramble, Alli, Boza Edwards, Randall, Pendleton, Ramirez and the same number of legit contenders (and I could go on - but I'll spare you!).
You do not get that these days sadly - the fights are still great but the huge depth is gone.
Peace!
Friday Aug 8, 2008
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Boxer:
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You're always going to hear some old-timer say the boxers today cudn't compare from those in the 80s. I used to hear it from my grandfather that the fighters of the 80s cudn't compare to the fighters in the 20s and 30s.
Saturday Aug 9, 2008
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william a major:
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the bos! he is so right.those were the days,even the 70's and 60's today they are like sparring partners compared to those cats.man,like cotto ,never would theyd have took a knee and gave up their title.the would have went out on their back if need be. even duran , they taqlk about the no mas fight .he stopped fighting alright ,because he was enraged by leonards mugging not beaten .enraged isnt even used in boxing terms anymore.ha ha.they got it to easy now ,not all like for example,margerito.but most by the way thats why he won,he had it tough his whole career and that made him a warrior and a champion.
Tuesday Aug 12, 2008
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...and Boxer, your grandfather was right!
Thursday Aug 14, 2008
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Pacquiao Could Pull It Off
"I think Freddie Roach talks some sense. His name and reputation as a top notch trainer is at stake. Of course you can't exclude the money factor,but if the possibility to win is nil then he would not go for it. Manny is a special fighter no doubt and special fighters in the past were able to beat much bigger opponents, and with the guidance of a hall of fame trainer then it could be done again." ---TSS reader "Dave" says Roach isn't just in it for the payday, and thinks Manny could pull off the upset
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