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    Soto Karass Gets Upset KO Win Over Andre Berto


    Andre Berto looked to reinject some energy into his career on Saturday night at the AT&T Center in san Antonio, Texas, on Showtime. He took on Mexican ex journeyman turned contender Jesus Soto Karass in a welterweight scrap, and impressed with his gutty effort after hurting his right shoulder. Berto knocked down Soto Karass in the 11th, but in round 12, down went Berto. A left hook, short, landed on the chin. Berto beat the count, but was on jelly legs.
    The time of the ending was 48 seconds of the final round and there will be questions attached to Berto, not about his guts, but about his future. Does he have one in boxing?
    Berto went 223-608 to 390-1324 for the victor.
    The Floridian Berto (age 29; 28-2 entering) was 161 on fight night, while the Cali resident SK (30; 27-8-3 entering) was 164.5 pounds. Berto came in losing two of his last three scraps, dropping a UD12 to Victor Ortiz, bouncing back with a W over Selcuk Aydin and then dropping a UD12 to Ghost Guerrero last November. We wondered if a switch from Tony Morgan to Virgil Hunter would change his luck?
    The vacant NABF welter title was up for grabs.
    In the first, SK started fast. A right buzzed Berto and he fought off the ropes. He was outworked in the round, no doubt.
    In the second, SK ripped to the body with both hands, while Berto worked the jab more. A counter right buzzed SK at 1:30. Berto's confidence picked up. He came up with right hands a couple times, to good effect.
    In the third, Berto's hand speed stood out. He landed clean power shots but ate some, too. A few uppercuts landed on his chin.
    In the fourth, a right cross landed on Berto and buzzed him a tiny bit. He stood on the ropes, against his corner's advice.
    In the fifth, Paul Malignaggi noticed that Berto's right shoulder might be hurt. He shook it out a few times. He missed a launch and fell to the mat at 1:50. His shoulder was hurt and put off a fight with Victor Ortiz a few years ago. "Be great tonight for me?" Hunter said to Berto on the stool.
    In the sixth, Berto mostly used his left. In the seventh, Berto tossed a couple right, and his confidence was back up some. SK's right eye was a bit swollen. In the eighth, it was toe to toe. Berto's right eye was swollen but he could see. SK threw about 130 punches, after throwing 140 the round before. Hard to beat that...In the ninth, the pace was still rigorous.
    In the 10th, SK got a break, for a Berto low blow, at the 1:55 mark. Berto was throwing hard, still mostly lefts. "He has nothing left," Hunter told Berto after the round. In the 11th, a left hook to the body put down SK. He said it was a low blow. It wasn't that low, it was on the belt line, replays showed. SK came back, though and landed low and high on Berto, whose mouth hung open, bloody. In the 12th, down went Berto. The ref halted it.

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    Re: Soto Karass Gets Upset KO Win Over Andre Berto

    What a good night of boxing that was from top to bottom. All boxers represented themselves in a good way. Thurman stepped up and made adjustments. Japan was well represented . Soto K is a workhorse and did a great job. Berto might be done at the top,level after a damaging fight like this. Virgil hunter might not be the greatest trainer after all. Either way ,solid card. I give soto k knockout of the night.

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    Definitely a very good day for boxing (but lmfao@ the main event star only fighting 6 rounds. Kinda lame). Virgil Hunter did a poor job tonight (i ain't complaining cause it was exciting/ interesting to watch). He should've saved Berto from himself. Not only does Berto have too much heart for his own health but he's not very smart (ring wise). Dramatic end but not entirely shocking considering Soto was tagging him with clean shots from the onset. Berto once again trying to use shoulder roll (few glimpses of it anyhow) looking like a fighter with a serious identity crises. Until he finds himself I'll refer to him as the Rectangular Retard (he was squared up multiple times with a look of durrrrrrrrr, who am I ? Totally looked confused and lost!).

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    Alot to take in watching this quality fight. Two men enter. One, musclebound as hell. The other, lean and lanky. In the old days I was told boxers were not supposed to be all bulked up with muscles everywhere. They were slow and tended to tire faster. You always had to watch out for the tall thin guys. They looked like pushovers but most of the time could really crack. Long lean fast twitch muscles. Throwing punches that would get there first. Tonight we have journeyman Soto Karass landing first vs bulked up Berto. It looked to me like JSK might get Berto out very early. He kept landing flush shots. Then Berto hurts his shoulder. It looked like he may quit. Come on Berto? Where is the heart, I'm thinking. Berto doesn't quit, he digs deep and makes a fight out of it. Rounds are going by, I'm now thinking JSK might be letting this slip away, blowing a future big payday for his family that is cheering at ringside. 12th round. Berto goes down hard off a left hook. Gets up at 4 or 5 and the ref stops it. I'm glad for JSK because I'm sure the fight was probably closer on the judges cards than it should be. At the same time I feel bad for Berto because he didn't quit. He gave his all and it wasn't enough. Berto's time at the top is over. He kept saying in the post fight interview that he at least deserved an eight count. I agree he did deserve that eight count. He was done anyway but you never know, his heart was in the fight. The brutal human drama of boxing.

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    Thanks, Roast - good resumé, made me feel like I actually saw the fight.

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    Re: Soto Karass Gets Upset KO Win Over Andre Berto

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm View Post
    Thanks, Roast - good resumé, made me feel like I actually saw the fight.
    Agree. Great recap da Roast. I completely spaced the fight. I've been reading and watching all I can about Detroit. Way beyond interesting.

    Anybody on this site from the Motor City?

    Also, hats off to the gladiators who give their best every time out.

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    I posted under the other thread about Berto how he has ruined his body and CNS from steroids. Muscle become to strong and provide too much torque for ligaments and tendons and these type of injuries occur.
    Also did anyone notice in the first round how berto got easily buzzed from a short uppercut? His coordination before that seems off or different. Sure he is fast and his shots are frightening to watch but they are all show at this point.
    I seriously think something could be wrong within the cerebellum.
    Each fight that passes his foot coordination seems worse an worse. He's 30 not 40.
    I don't know how a boxer can be so jacked up. How much is this guy lifting? I still think he's on peds for the above mentioned reasons.
    Great night of fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dino da vinci View Post
    Agree. Great recap da Roast. I completely spaced the fight. I've been reading and watching all I can about Detroit. Way beyond interesting.

    Anybody on this site from the Motor City?

    Also, hats off to the gladiators who give their best every time out.
    Watch it on showtime again ,great night of fights. Detroit 60 years of democratic/socialistic control. To much government spending decimates the economy. Detroit is one of the first but it won't be the last. The economy is doing " great" because the fed is pumping 85 billion a month to keep the market above water. It's not a matter of if the currency will collapse its a matter of when.

    In some of his harshest language yet, former US congressman Ron Paul claimed that the fiat dollar system will result in more city bankruptcies, similar to the one we've just witnessed in Detroit, eventually leading to the demise of the federal government in its current form.

    "We're going to see more Detroits, and eventually the government of the United States will be somewhat similar to Detroit, because people will give up their confidence in us, they'll give up confidence in the dollar, and eventually they'll give up confidence in our military."

    "There's a limit to what the markets will tolerate, but there's an end point, and nobody knows when that'll come, but I suspect we're getting closer and closer to it every day."

    Paul contrasted what he sees as the fleeting nature of fiat currency with the historical robustness of gold and suggested that a crumbling dollar will make way for an 'explosion' in the gold price.

    "After these corrections sometimes you see an explosion."

    "As long as we have excessive spending and excessive computerized money, you're going to see gold go up. And eventually, if we're not careful, it could go to infinity, because the dollar will collapse totally."

    Check out the full interview with CNBC:

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    Quote Originally Posted by amayseng View Post
    I posted under the other thread about Berto how he has ruined his body and CNS from steroids. Muscle become to strong and provide too much torque for ligaments and tendons and these type of injuries occur.
    Also did anyone notice in the first round how berto got easily buzzed from a short uppercut? His coordination before that seems off or different. Sure he is fast and his shots are frightening to watch but they are all show at this point.
    I seriously think something could be wrong within the cerebellum.
    Each fight that passes his foot coordination seems worse an worse. He's 30 not 40.
    I don't know how a boxer can be so jacked up. How much is this guy lifting? I still think he's on peds for the above mentioned reasons.
    Great night of fights.
    Good call. Berto didn't move at all. He spread his legs wide and became a counter punching heavy bag. What kind of camp did hunter run? Hunter should have had Berto going side to side around the ring 45 minutes a day before doing anything else. Berto is damaged goods at the top. He might get thrown to the young guns and get cashed out soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepwater View Post
    Good call. Berto didn't move at all. He spread his legs wide and became a counter punching heavy bag. What kind of camp did hunter run? Hunter should have had Berto going side to side around the ring 45 minutes a day before doing anything else. Berto is damaged goods at the top. He might get thrown to the young guns and get cashed out soon.
    How about an agility ladder?
    Or some lateral foot work drills?
    I don't get it.
    Either way something is up.
    I think the guy has been juicing too long.

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